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Reflective Joy: Reflecting on Experiences in the Inner and Outer Wilderness with Rick and Karen Najarian
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Reflective Joy: Reflecting on Experiences in the Inner and Outer Wilderness with Rick and Karen Najarian

The transformational power of the wilderness

“Out there, we are not our Mercedes or our home or our job or our degrees. We are just us. And it's enough.”

~ Karen Najarian

This episode is part of a Breathing Wind miniseries titled Inner and Outer Wilderness, hosted by Duncan Cheung. The Inner and Outer Wilderness miniseries explores the wonderment of and between the wilderness out there and within each of us.


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In this episode, Duncan talks with Dr Rick and Karen Najarian about the full expansiveness and joy of the wilderness, Karen's experience as a guide and the power of reflective joy her students experienced, the important distinction between sage versus teacher, and how to model comfort in a place and time that is otherwise uncomfortable.

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